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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 12:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Mr Trouble
Having lost 80bn ISK work of ships so far, one does have to ask if the coaltion couldn't have just said 'hmmm, maybe that one dysprosium moon isnt so important after all'.
The reality is it doesn't work like that, each of those moons makes over 6.5b isk/month, which not only helps Razor, but is alos income that Insurgency won't have if Razor have, so it's a 13b isk/month differential, even if in killing 80b isk of ships, Insurgency lost nothing, it'd still be only a 6 month payback, much less if the price keeps going up.
It's kind of stupid that's how valuable they are, but there you go.
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Alliances only break from the inside
Pretty much the only way they break, you can kill 10:1 vs someone and still lose quite badly on an objectives basis.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
From what I remember, the alliances that turned blue at that time we're Smash and Roadkill and probably some of their friends/allies that wanted to come. They are still blue as we had a good time fighting together.
I think we were already blue at that stage, however some of Tenal was given to Anarchy Empire / Cult of War, who had just moved on from their campaign on Geminate, so we figured folowing them to their home was fair.
It's quite funny to call what Razor had an uber blob if you see what Fatal / M.Pire / MC etc had up there. What was bought was similar firepower and the will to succeed.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Melpheus Rax
Hey guys, lets talk a bit more about this because if we are talking we aren't fighting and god forbid any of us big northern powers actually fight each other!
Aside from Tenerifis to Cache, I'm not sure there's any particularly quiet area of Eve atm ?
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: stinger7
MC had left the area before you guys decided to be brave and blob up bud, i was in tri at the time and you had us napped initially as well until your crappy campaign strategy had a lot of us decide that joining your blob was a waste of ships.
You had a massive membership and fleet number advantage from day one but hid or ran away until MC had gone before you were willing to use it. The only similarities between you guys and the fatal/mpire/cow coalition was that you all were carebear alliances that needed others to fight your wars for you and without them you would fail even with equal or even slightly greater numbers.
I'm not in Razor, Triumvirate was never blue to SMASHKILL. You guys were blue to Razor temporarily because you were shooting someone's capital ship array, in Dekelin of all places, who wasted ships for who in that one ?
Also. ROFL. MC and Co fairly significantly outnumbered Razor, I think you're looking at the size of the alliances now, back then all of them were quite alot smaller, and MC was the only one with a titan (which they had rolling in with 1-2 of BoBs titans on occasion). Now at a certain point there is running away, and then there's waiting for the titan to leave (of which none had been killed in combat at the time, so was their balance). In retrospect it looks like it was the smartest thing to do, doesn't it ? They finished the year with far more territory than they started with and the of all the alliances involved in attacking them, would MC be the only one of note (or even not of note) still in existance?
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: stinger7
I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person.
Experiencing it as a member of an alliance that wasn't involved in defending or attacking any of the outpost systems Razor lost or took back ?
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.19 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: stinger7
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: stinger7
I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person.
Experiencing it as a member of an alliance that wasn't involved in defending or attacking any of the outpost systems Razor lost or took back ?
Like BKG?... like i have said you should learn your history before you try to teach it.
BKG was D2 before M.Pire had it, and Trimvirate was no where to be seen when it was retaken. They had brief participation in an unsuccessful attempt on short notice with temporary blue standings. Not in the actual losing or taking. Good job though, keep in mind that Tri did just as easily particpate in shooting Razor when the situation arose and they thought they might get kills. Basically particpating on whichever side for the short term would keep them at each other and allow Tri to take space of their own, before one of the powers consolidated. Smart, but hardly going to help remember battles that you weren't a part of. D2 were long gone by this stage, no one is talking about their rather quick demise, I figured they wouldn't last that long at POS warfare when they had earlier ailed to kick a 600 man SMASH kill out of K25. They couldn't play reserve grade they sure as hell weren't going to play a-grade.
As for the titans, as you point out Chowdown was their and Orange Species was also (as mentioned in MC's war report, look it up). Not that it really matters.
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